Collector's Item
Who records belong to the most
valuable and desirable items among record collectors. Collecting rare records can be exciting, enjoying
and a real challenge when you're hunting for the real gem. But it also can be really disappointing when
you discover that you've paid too much for an item than it's worth or when you've obtained a fake copy
or a cheap reissue or whatever.
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But what's a record worth? Bids in online auctions are not a reliable statement because they can be
manipulated by fake bidders or the seller himself. The real value of a rarity follows a simple rule, it
is not the price the seller wants to achieve but it's the highest price a buyer is seriously
willing to pay. Of course this can differ more or less from day to day and comparable to dealing with
shares at a stock market also the prices for vinyl records and CD rarities can change in time.
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Our Collector's Item site shall be useful for you as a serious Who collector. Request any information about
a record, it's genuineness or if you have doubts about the value of an item. It is necessary that you send
us most detailed information as possible or better provide pictures of cover and labels. We try to answer
each request per e-mail and possibly publicize it here on this site when we think it will be of general
interest for the collector's community.
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Schallplatten von The Who
gehören unter Sammlern zu den wertvollsten und gesuchtesten Raritäten. Seltene Schallplatten zu
sammeln kann aufregend sein, Spaß machen und bei der Jagd nach der Top Rarität eine richtige
Herausforderung darstellen. Aber es kann auch wirklich enttäuschend sein, wenn man feststellt, dass man
viel mehr für eine Platte bezahlt hat als sie tatsächlich wert ist oder wenn man eine
Fälschung, eine billige Wiederveröffentlichung oder was auch immer für sein Geld bekommen
hat.
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Aber was ist eine Schallplatte wert? Gebote in Online-Auktionen sind nicht aussagekräftig, da diese von
Spaßbietern abgegeben oder vom Verkäufer selbst manipuliert werden können. Der wahre Wert
einer Rarität folgt einer simplen Regel: Es ist nicht der Preis, den der Verkäufer gerne
erzielen möchte, sondern es ist der höchste Preis, den ein Käufer ernsthaft
bereit ist zu bezahlen. Natürlich kann sich dies mehr oder weniger und von Tag zu Tag unterscheiden
und vergleichbar mit dem Aktienhandel an der Börse können sich auch bei Vinyl-Schallplatten und
CD-Raritäten die Preise mit der Zeit ändern.
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Unsere Collector's Item Seite soll Euch als seriösem Who-Sammler dienen. Fragt uns nach Informationen
zu einer Schallplatte, nach deren Echtheit oder wenn Ihr Zweifel über den Wert eines Stückes habt.
Es ist jedoch notwendig, dass Ihr uns möglichst genaue Informationen oder besser Fotos vom Cover und
den Labels zukommen lasst. Wir versuchen jede Anfrage per e-Mail zu beantworten und eventuell hier auf
dieser Seite zu veröffentlichen, wenn es für die Gemeinschaft der Sammler vom allgemeinen
Interesse ist.
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Collector's Item Requests
3 Acetate Masters from The Kids Are Alright
I have found a strange item I hope
you might help me identify or may be interested in. It is a set of what look like the single sided acetate
masters from "The Kids Are Alright". There are only 3 of the 4 albums. The thing I am confused
about is the label. It is from a famous Hollywood mastering studio, The Mastering Lab, but the label has
a phone number on it in a format that was phased out in the 60s but I thought The Kids Are Alright came out
in 1979. I am looking to sell these. I am in the United States. They are purposefully scratched and one has
a damaged label.
Eric Shuss, Los Angeles
The double album The Kids Are Alright was released in connection with Jeff Stein's Who documentary of the
same title. Though the songs on the album did not entirely match the songs of the movie the record was
published as the official soundtrack. Indeed it was released in June 1979 shortly after the movie premiered
in the cinemas. In the USA the album was produced at The Mastering Lab studio in Hollywood as the acetate
label confirms. I can't tell for sure why the label has that phone number format but it is definitely a 1979
release.
Unfortunately your copy contains only 3 of 4
album sides and because of the damaged label and the scratched vinyl it is really questionable how much a
collector would pay for this item.
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Tommy Reel To Reel Tape unopened
Here is one item of my collection I
am looking to sell. Est of it's value? It's been in a safe for about 20 years.
Bob Reese, Chicago
The market for reel to reel tapes is very difficult, due to the lesser availability of tape machines and due
to the few reel to reel items which last of the days when reel to reel tapes were really common. Which means
that the demand for reel to reel tapes is not comparable to vinyl records but on the other hand a reel to
reel tape in a new condition would be rare on its own regardless which artist it includes.
So it's difficult to estimate a reliable value.
A similar Tommy item recently sold on eBay for 150 US$. And I would say that might be a real value. Your's
should fetch a little higher price due to it's new and unopened condition.
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The High Numbers bootleg
This is a sealed The High Numbers
album. Another in the list of albums I am looking to sell.
Bob Reese, Chicago
This is a Who bootleg which was also known as "Who The Fu*?!". It was issued in the early 80's
and contains early Who studio recording material. For a bootleg the sound quality is really good and together
with the hard cover this is a really nice item and worth to obtain. In the early 80's this was a very sought
after bootleg because there were many then unreleased Who songs and alternate versions included.
Today all the songs are available on CD and
most of them even officially released. So the value of this vinyl bootleg decreases clearly and would now
be around 20 EUR.
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The Who Sell Out clearasil cover
While not a sealed album, it is in
excellent condition. Again in my safe for almost 20 years. This one has the rear Clearasil cover (rare).
Bob Reese, Chicago
The Who Sell Out was released in 1967. The original cover issue shows the 4 band members promoting different
products including Keith Moon using a tube of Medac paste. Only the Australian release exchanged the Medac
tube with a Clearasil tube. So the Australian release of The Who Sell Out is a rare and really sought cover.
The value of an item in excellent condition
is 60 EUR.
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Who's Next Scandinavian mispressing
Hi, I just purchased a copy a
of Who's Next album and I have some questions about it. Please find attached photos of it.
It is an Scandinavian copy because the
rights society is NCB, but do you know the exact country where it was issued? And the year of release of
this copy?
Lastly, the labels are incorrect, the
songs are printed on the wrong sides. On side 1 you can see the songs from side 2 and viceversa. Is it
any worth? Or just a misprint of this issue?
Matrix numbers are:
Side 1: MG 12888 2408102 A (hand etched)
Side 2: 24 08 102 B P7 1 9 ENGL
Thanks a lot for your help.
Miguel Parra
Hi Miguel, thanks for the precise description and the fotos of your purchased record. It makes the
identification much easier.
Who's Next is one of the best Who albums ever
recorded and it was originally released in July 1971 as a leftover of Townshend's aborted Lifehouse project.
Many reissues and new editions of the album were issued.
As you already mentioned correctly, the NCB
(Nordisk Copyright Bureau) imprint confirms that this is a Scandinavian copy. The scandinavian music companies
in Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark joined an association not only in matters of legal rights but also in
coordination of common production, publication and distribution activities. It was quite normal that a record
cover was printed in Norway, the vinyl record pressed in England for export, and record and cover packed together,
the one and the same product was sold in Denmark, Norway and Sweden likewise. In that case we can't speak rather
of a specific Denmark or Sweden release but more applicable of a common Scandinavian release. The "ENGL"
part of the matrix number of your record hints that it was pressed in England and exported to the Scandinavian
market.
There exist three different scandinavian versions
of the first Who's Next issue, the original release whose label is shown in the picture below and two reissues:
One with cat.no. "2408.102" and a smaller Polydor logo than the original pressing and song titles listed
in separate rows on the label, and the other reissue with cat.no. "2408 102" (without ".")
and again with the smaller Polydor logo but song titles listed running one after another and not in separate
rows. Your copy is the latest reissue of the original album and I suppose it was sold in the early 80's.
Normally it wouldn't be of much value but what
makes your copy so interesting is the label mistake. A typical misprint has correct labels in itselves but
printed on the wrong sides of the record.
But in your case the labels itselves are inaccurate.
One label indicates side 1 and as far as I can spot it on the vinyl (otherwise please correct me) it was also
correctly printed on side 1 but lists the songs of side 2, and viceversa. So here we do not have the typical
record mispressing of easy label transposition, but some rarer type of label misprint, always providing that
I've spotted it right.
It's difficult to say what's it worth. Some
collectors are interested in misprints, others are not. At least it depends on how many of this particular
misprint are in circulation which is hardly to gauge. A circumspect value rating for your copy would be in
the region of 40-50 EUR.
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The High Numbers 10" acetate
Hi, I have a one sided Fontana 10"
Acetate of Zoot Suit by The High Numbers. It plays ok but looks a bit rough. Any idea of it's value. Regards
Mark, UK
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In June 1964 The Who (formerly known as The High Numbers) went into Phillips Studios recording three songs
"Zoot Suit", "I'm The Face" and "Here 'Tis". But those recording sessions at
Phillips resulted neither in a disc release nor in a recording contract. The High Numbers succeeded more when
a few days later they visited Fontana Studios and recorded again these 3 songs plus "Leaving Here".
The choice fell to "Zoot Suit" to be released as a single backed with "I'm The Face" on
B-side. Though promoted as the ultimative Mod disc the single flopped awfully. Nearly half of the 1000 pressed
copies were sold and led to one of the most sought after records among Who collectors.
So here we have the original onesided 10"
Fontana acetate which was made in July 1964. Acetate discs of collectable artists have a high value anyway due
to the small number of existing copies. And if the song version on the acetate disc is a variation of the later
issued version or if the acetate contains an unreleased song the value could climb into astronomical heights.
As far as I know the High Numbers acetate includes the same "Zoot Suit" version as it was issued on
the final single release.
At online auctions the regular High Numbers single
in very good condition can fetch a price in the region of 1000-1500 EUR. I would estimte the value of the 10"
acetate somewhere between 1700 and 2200 EUR, but it's difficult to say because if a die-hard collector is around
he would possibly pay a price up to 3000 EUR or maybe more.
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Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy crash records bootleg
Hello, I bought yesterday in a
secondhand shop this album, I did read on internet this album is a very rare album??! Can you tell me if
this is right? Best regards Hinke
Hinke Hoekstra, Dordrecht, The Netherlands
Hello Hinke, the album Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy originally was released in October 1971 and contains an
excellent collection of the majority of The Who's singles which came out in the sixties.
The motivation for this album release and mainly
target audition were all the new fans which got first in touch with The Who through the Tommy album. For those
who didn't heard of The Who yet and wanted get to know more about the group's music activities before Tommy,
Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy was (and is) a great source of The Who's 60's singles releases.
The original album cover was a photo collage
of four young kids lingering in the entrance of some typically old british brick building with the four Who
members looking out a window.
Your copy, as you've correctly stated, is a
bootleg copy and has a different cover. I would confirm that it is a above-average rare album even among the
Who bootleg releases. However it is neither a rare record in respect of the included material (it is a 1:1
copy of the original album) nor does the cover attract much interest and hence this bootleg is not much sought
after. Nonetheless it is quiet hard to find and not often offered somewhere.
If you ever come across a copy of this bootleg
a price of 20 EUR should be justifiable.
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